Quick Grammar Poll

[dcseain]

X will would have y

What do you think of that verb construction?

And for those of you with a frame of reference, is that a reasonably accurate translation of Latinate future subjunctive tense?

Context: the Spanish words hubiere and hubieren, the singular and plural future subjunctive forms of haber and hay. Yes, i know the latter is a form of the former, but well, not everyone gets that.

Comments

[dr-tectonic.livejournal.com]

Hmm... sounds ungrammatical to me.

The Wikipedia construction is "If X should Y..." Does that work for your example?

[dcseain.livejournal.com]

Hm. In which article came you across that? Putting lots of thought into it, i believe that what you suggest is technically correct. Double modals are normal in my native dialect, though that usage of should does capture 'will would'.

I'm going to hazard a guess that "You might could want to check on the cows." is ungrammatical to you also.

[dr-tectonic.livejournal.com]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjunctive_mood#Future_subjunctive

I'm going to hazard a guess that "You might could want to check on the cows." is ungrammatical to you also.

Indeed. What's your native dialect? I don't think I've ever really been exposed to that way of speaking.

[dcseain.livejournal.com]

The dialect i grew up speaking is a Southern dialect, intersection of East Virginia and Appalachia. Our school labarian read us poims, and iron was pronounced as arn.

I still find it hard to pronunce iron 'correctly', thoug I have learned to broaden the ar to ir, where that i is pronounce broadly as southern-style I. My stanard speech pattern is still notably Southern to people not from here, to the point that sometimes people in NYC and Boston have trouble understanding me.

[dcseain.livejournal.com]

Okay, i've read that full article multiple times over. That usage of 'should' scans to me as archaic and terribly affected. Are there really regions here in North America that actually talk like that on a regurlar basis.

[dr-tectonic.livejournal.com]

I don't know that anyone says it regularly, but it wouldn't sound strange to me if one of my friends were to say something like "Well, if you should run out of milk or anything, just give me a call, okay?"

So... parts of Colorado, apparently? (Though it probably has more to do with knowing a lot of people whose speech is closer to written English than average.)

[nancylebov.livejournal.com]

On the first pass, it looked ungrammatical, but I think it just needs a time marker.

"X will would have y by tomorrow" looks much better.

Actually, it still looks a little odd, but it sounds ok. Maybe it's a verb form I use in spoken but not written language. On the other hand, I'm not sure how else I could express the concept in writing.

[kody-wolf.livejournal.com]

Depending what the subject matter of "x" and "y" would be I guess you can add nouns in place of "x" and "y"... and you might get:

Applepie will would have apples - (no that doesn't sound right)
Bob will would have died - (possibly)
Cars will would have flown - (sound ok in a sentance)

my 2 silly cents.
~Kody

[maddogairpirate.livejournal.com]

I always took it as X will have Y, which is still subjunctive because you don't know if it'll turn out that way.

[maddogairpirate.livejournal.com]

That being...

"By Tuesday I will have finished my college paper." ;-)